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Post by Chinaman on Nov 9, 2004 21:16:59 GMT -5
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Post by HOLLA on Nov 9, 2004 21:43:17 GMT -5
Who is Bush to say who a person can marry? its big time discrimination that gays cant get married.....What if Bush said because your asian you cant get married to another asian? Also, if you guys have friends that are in Iraq you would know why Bush was wrong to go into a war that was not justified.....
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Post by QuikSilver on Nov 9, 2004 22:07:39 GMT -5
wow... so much has been said in one night....
lets sort out the facts lol....
"no child left behind act" = bush gives money for testing. Schools must meet the 'criteria' to be a school "not on the list". Schools "on the list" must FIND funding to get off the list. So far, the president (nor any executive branch) helps fund getting off the list.
the war: war in Iraq has been called a war for many things, quotes from bush. (they're in chronological order) 1)"to find and destroy weapons of mass destruction" 2)"to free the Iraqi citizens" 3)"to bring democracy to Iraq" which is it?
(just curious): is the Iraq war the war we should be in? or the war against al-qaida and the rest of the terrorists? (if you say terrorists are in iraq, were they there b4 our war?)(if you support this war for freeing Iraqi citizens, please realize that there are worse dictators in this world than Saddam Hussein)
does this seem like the Vietnam war to anyone? btw, bush will most likely NOT form a treaty (with who to end the "war"?), he doesn't seem to be the type to back out of something he started...
bush = pro-life, wife = pro-choice (interesting?) bush = anti-gay, wife = favors moderate ground
btw, media is NOT biased in what info we get as to pres candidates. Both papers in the twincities favored diff pres. Pioneer press = bush Star Tribune = kerry
they are biased in world views... watch cnn and british news, you'll see stuff that you wonder why isn't on american news.
for example.... remember the terrorists in russia? that held the WHOLE SCHOOL hostage? the terrorists were wearing US army fatigues.... but american news didn't broadcast it. interesting?
college rates HAVE gone up significantly, at least minnesota state colleges have.... and national and (minnesota) state funding HAS gone down for colleges, i'm not so sure about the loans though.
i would like you all to know, california IS more democratic than minnesota, so if you would ALL STOP BRINGING IT UP!
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Post by Frannie on Nov 10, 2004 0:06:44 GMT -5
First things first.
I get my sources from the news articles (justifiable sources.....=not biased since they have people for both sides). Newsweek article (and I quote): "I believe that John Kerry won the debates, analityically, but I think that I will be voting for Bush." Why? Go read it.
We are in war with Iraq (OMGosh, how can u guys not know) b/c of all the terrorism. The majority of the country if not all were in favor of going to war especially after 9/11.
I really have to disagree with whoever said that Kerry would be better taking over the war, especially since it's right in the middle of it. You really think that he's going to be able to handle taking over, I don't even need to say anymore. Someone here is obsessed w/ the topic of homosexuals.
Nisomer: I never said that u didn't u guys didnt know anything, u guys just dont know enough to say what your saying.
and u said "Obviously there are more issues, but these are the big ones." and i said that there are many bigger issues that u dont know about.
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Post by WaffleFry on Nov 10, 2004 0:12:31 GMT -5
lol ok about the college funding stuff......nick why do u care? you wont be able to get any financial aid help anyways...none of us can get financial aid...or at least thats what i'm thinking. and every year no matter what tuition increases no matter what!
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Post by ATown on Nov 10, 2004 0:30:30 GMT -5
Exactly, Nick, ur not gonna use Financial Aid so y do u care. Waffle is CORRECT
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Post by Chinaman on Nov 10, 2004 15:09:38 GMT -5
Nisomer: I never said that u didn't u guys didnt know anything, u guys just dont know enough to say what your saying. wow... you know what? you keep on bashing your own cousin..your practically saying that hes misimformed and he shouldnt talk cause hes wrong. well you know what? we also get unbiased info here in minnesota. you would have no idea what kind of information we get here so stop trying to say we have no unbiased sorces, or that we dont know enough to say what we say, because guess what? WE ARE SAYING IT. oh yea and about the war? WE ARE NOT AT WAR WITH IRAQ! THAT WAR ENDED A LONG TIME AGO. right now we are in a war with terrorists that we spawned.. yes i said "we". you know why? because we had exactly no right to go in and attack them. no right at all. if they really wanted help they could have asked us. all they are doing is trying to get us out of their country. now we give any other country the right to attack us. you know why? because we have the biggest stash of wmds in the whole world. oh and you say they are in good hands.. how are you to know? how do you know that some president wont just authorize a nuculear launch? you dont, so dont use wmds as a reason to go to war, because now you give the world a reason to attack us. oh yea the war we all wanted to go to was in afganistan. NOT IRAQ. iraq was a whole year after 9/11. and no im not shure if kerry could handle the war or not... but im shure i dont want bush in there. almost anyone would be better than bush.. he has no exit plan, no plan for peace, no nothing. about the last thing you said, about us only knowing big issues? TRY ME you havent said one thing about anything other than the big issues either. you post nothing to make me believe you.
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Post by nisomer on Nov 10, 2004 17:05:37 GMT -5
Nick, to answer your question, funding for the No Child left Behind Program came from The Department of Education. Are you saying that Bush doesnt care about education and schooling? FYI, Bush gives over 63 BILLION dollars to the Department of Education per year and it is the department that recieves the most amount from the his budget. FYI the President appoints the the Secretary of Education. If what you say is true about all the moeny the Department of Education gets, then where is all that money going?? And if the Dep. of Edu. isn't doing anything with that money, or is waisting it, then the President should be doing somthing about it. lol ok about the college funding stuff......nick why do u care? you wont be able to get any financial aid help anyways...none of us can get financial aid...or at least thats what i'm thinking. and every year no matter what tuition increases no matter what! Exactly, Nick, ur not gonna use Financial Aid so y do u care. Waffle is CORRECT Actually, anyone can apply for loans and grants. But many people don't because they don't know that they can. Everyone needs help with college funds, unless you are either so rich you can pay for the whole thing, or you are going to get a full scholarship.
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Post by Chinaman on Nov 10, 2004 17:17:10 GMT -5
nick you should go to a private university! lol they are sure to give you financial aid if you get accepted.
(i had to listen to all this stuff from places nate went..)
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Post by Frannie on Nov 10, 2004 17:47:21 GMT -5
now we give any other country the right to attack us. you know why? because we have the biggest stash of wmds in the whole world. oh and you say they are in good hands.. how are you to know? how do you know that some president wont just authorize a nuculear launch? you dont, so dont use wmds as a reason to go to war, because now you give the world a reason to attack us. and no im not shure if kerry could handle the war or not... but im shure i dont want bush in there. almost anyone would be better than bush.. he has no exit plan, no plan for peace, no nothing. about the last thing you said, about us only knowing big issues? TRY ME you havent said one thing about anything other than the big issues either. you post nothing to make me believe you. To begin, it's sure not "shure" (shows how much u know, and dont say u did it on purpose cuz im not amused) When did I ever say anything about weapons...I never said anything about this so don't be saying you said: oh and you say they are in good hands.. how are you to know? how do you know that some president wont just authorize a nuculear launch? you dont, so dont use wmds as a reason to go to war, because now you give the world a reason to attack us.HOw do u know Bush has no plans what so ever. I said that the issues u or nick keeps bringing up r NOT (read I said NOT) the major issues. They're just the issues he knows about and keep bringing up (soph w/ homosexuals) Antoher thing, I don't give a bleep about what information your getting over there, since a lot of u r stating your opinions as facts. DOn't keep talking to me like u know me or something. You don't know what I know, u don't know what I believe in, and u don't know anything so just stop "bashing." Cuz i really dont care who u r, and i really don't want to. (Don't even say that I dont know u either cuz I dont and i haven't been putting words into your mouth like I know u or something)
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Post by soph on Nov 10, 2004 18:06:55 GMT -5
I really have to disagree with whoever said that Kerry would be better taking over the war, especially since it's right in the middle of it. You really think that he's going to be able to handle taking over, I don't even need to say anymore. Someone here is obsessed w/ the topic of homosexuals. FIRST OF ALL... *Vice President Cheney has a daughter that's a lesbian* oh? Okay moving on. Where is Ab Lincoln when you need him? LOL... Guys this thread was not meant for you guys to yell at eachother. I do not care "who bashed who" okay? Whatever it is you take it somewhere else, please. Okie.
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Post by HOLLA on Nov 10, 2004 19:09:59 GMT -5
GO FRANNIE!!! HAHHAHA FIGHT FIGHT!!!!
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Post by nisomer on Nov 10, 2004 19:24:34 GMT -5
Frannie you have not even brought up one of your so called "major" issues. All you do is contridict what everyone else is saying, and how we are all wrong.
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Post by QuikSilver on Nov 10, 2004 19:46:01 GMT -5
wow can we present info in a non-attacking way? frannie: i must defend my bro... To begin, it's sure not "shure" (shows how much u know, and dont say u did it on purpose cuz im not amused) please... you already asked sophia not to hit on your "pa-leeze" (or w/e u do) so don't make fun of anyone else's style. Antoher thing, I don't give a bleep about what information your getting over there, since a lot of u r stating your opinions as facts. i believe everyone combines both opinions and true facts. we are all trying to draw conclusions and assume things that we can't really know for sure, as we aren't, and cannot, be the people we defend. alan: guarantee, everyone will get some kind of aid. even if you're rich like nick! hes not "rich" enough to fully pay for college, so he will get some kind of benefit (i.e. student loans, scholarschips-music) its NEVER too early to look... i realize that now ur right about the college tuition, but the truth hurts lol brandon: you are retarded about the missles i would just like to say that we are REALLY getting away from presenting our opinions/facts to support and are just yelling at each other "for being stupid" if thats how its going to go, plz delete and ban this post, and all other posts having to do with politics. this arguing is just retarded.
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Post by Frannie on Nov 10, 2004 19:59:52 GMT -5
I just thought that he might not have known how to speel the word 'sure' with the arguments and random accusations he is making.
BTW, i have not yet offered an opinion as a fact.
Your saying that u dont think that they're other major issues? I dont even need to make a point since it really is obvious to anybody that knows something that there are mayn more issues than just abortion and homosexuality. (i.e. tax cuts, polls... and other even BIGGER issues that r going on.)
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